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Dealing with Deadouts (Part 2)

Dealing with Deadouts (Part 2)


– Okay, so now we’re inside our shed, our
storage shed and we’re ready to scrape the boxes and start the vote to decide which ones
we’re gonna keep to reuse for making up splits or to put it in the colonies for taking splits
out of. Or for anything we can use this comb for if it’s in good shape. We’ll also inspect
it for American foulbrood so we make sure we’re not reusing comb that’s infected with
American foulbrood. So take the box off the wheelbarrow and we put it on to our scraping
box. So, just set it over here. Put that on the scraping box. Then we scrape all the wax
off the top and all the wax off the bottom of the frame. The scraping box catches the
majority of the wax and again, we don’t want this wax getting spread around the bee yard
for bio security reasons. But it also gums up your boots so you don’t wanna be walking
around like that. Then we scrape the bottom boards. It’s easy to scrape the tops and the
bottoms while they’re still in the box ’cause the box is helping to hold on to them. Then
what we do is we take the frame out. There’s a plastic frame. They don’t tend to have a
lot of wax on to these plastic frames. I’ll just knock that off there. So just hold it
securely, knock it off. Then that, anything we scraped goes in to an already scraped box.
We’ll talk about scraping the boxes in a minute. Here you can see a comb. We’re not gonna waste
time scraping things until we’ve decided whether we’re keeping them or not. See that’s a broken
layer … a bunch of old combs, it’s not really usable down in here… a wire broken loose
there. So this one is going to be burned. That one is also going to be burned. It’s
a very old frame, quite black looking. We don’t render that dark burr comb. The pupa
casing soak up wax and it’s really difficult to get the wax out of them. It’s a messy job,
it takes very specialized equipment, a steam generator, a wax press. We just burn those
instead of going through that process. Of course, we don’t burn anything that has plastic,
any plastic foundation. That has to go into the dumpster or after the dump … Because
we can’t burn plastic, it creates some very serious toxins in the environment if we do.
There’s a good frame, that’s drawn combs and we’re gonna be able to reuse that. There’s
no excess wax on the outside. So it goes in there. These plastic frames, there’s not a
lot to scrape, only the tops and the bottoms. That’s kinda debatable but it is getting pretty
old too. Another old comb. So we’re being pretty ruthless here. That frame might be,
maybe eight-ten years old. I’m gonna keep that one. So we’re gonna scrape these shoulders
off right here. And we’ll scrape a little bit across the bottom. I’ll show you what
that looks like in a second. Either in your hive tool, sometimes scraping works better
with the heel of the hive tool. Sometimes with the blade of the hive tool. So down there…
There’s a frame that’s ready to go. That’s got all this drawn comb in there, that’s really
valuable resource for the bees to have comb that’s already built and ready to go. This
one, on the other hand, never did get drawn out last year. You can see they’re just starting
to build comb on that. But there’s not much there, I’ll clean out those little bits there.
Not much to clean up there, fairly new frame. If we want to redo comb on a plastic frame,
we can just scrape the comb right off and put it back into the hive and let them build
comb on that again. Kind of a tough job, you need to really work at it to get that scraped
off. But that is a doable situation. Now, we’re going to scrape the box. You can see
there’s all this wax in here, propolis all around here, propolis all down through there.
We wanna clean all that up. So we’ll just scrape away. You don’t wanna have too sharp
a hive tool for any kind of scraping on wood. So when you get a new hive tool, what I like
to do is run a file across it, along here, to flatten that edge. And that scrapes well
without digging into the wood. So we’ll scrape along this area here, grated there, We will
scrape along there. And then all down the sides and then around on the top. A bit of
a workout. This works better in cold weather, when the wax is more brittle. The fact is
that we got pretty warm days here so I’m working away at it. Now you can see, all the frames
will move around nicely in there. There is still lots of excess wax here causing friction
when the bees … when we’re moving frames around. That’s clean and ready to go to put
more frames into it. We got a really, yucky looking bottom board here. Bees died over
the winter here, they dropped them at the bottom. There weren’t enough bees left to
clean that up. And so they just died and molded in there. So you can see, several different
kinds of mold. A white one there, a green one there. All these bee carcasses, all the
little bumbs of wax that the bees use as ladder to climb up to there frames. And a nice big
chunk of propolis in there. We’re gonna keep that propolis. So what we’re gonna do is use
a wide scraper, there’s a wide scraper there. And we’ll scrape everything but that propolis
to begin with. A scraping box like this is really nice to have but any kind of a table
… works fine. But you need to have something to jam things up against so that you can scrape
very well and hold on to. So there’s a nice chunk of propolis there. We’ll clean that
up a little bit more and then I can scrape that propolis up. You see, how I’m holding
my hand there above it. So we don’t lose any of it. There’s some … There’s some more.
Pretty sticky. And the rest that’s kinda dirty. So we got a nice little lump of solid propolis
there that we can use. So the bottom board is ready to use, again. The boxes are ready,
the frames are ready to use again. And, that’s how we handle things in the spring. One thing
I wan to cover a little bit here is, as we’re going along, we check to see if there’s any
foulbrood in the cells. If they … have had foulbrood, if we hold the frame at an angle
like that, we have sunlight shinning down or a really good strong light shinning down,
we’re looking to see foulbrood scales, along the bottom of the cell like that and they’ll
be black so they blend in with this black wax. But you can see a difference in the texture
on the cells. So we inspect every burred frame to see if there is any American foulbrood
in there before we reuse it. It rarely shows up. We do use antibiotic here, in Ontario
to help prevent American foulbrood spread in the spring and fall when bees are rubbing.
But we still need to be extra cautious and that’s not … those materials aren’t available
for use in a lot of jurisdictions. So this inspection becomes even more important in
those places. But that’s all basically and ready to go … to make a nice home for a
nucleus colony or a split. Thanks very much for watching, see you next time.

Comments (33)

  1. where is part 1?

  2. Please don’t let it be so long between uploads you guys are up there with the best bee vloggers

  3. Love your videos and thank you for posting again!

    Question1: I had a couple hives that had a lot of moisture and low bee numbers that have mold on the comb in some sections. Can this wax be melted down or should it be destroyed?
    Question 2: Should pollen in the comb of dead hives be thrown away as well or can it be reused in an existing hive?

    This video is SO timely for me so Thank you!!

  4. What's the trick to cleaning out frames from a hive that has starved out and all the bees have their heads in the cells?

  5. what a waste of wax…

  6. hold up hold up, theirs a post on this channel? I must be dreaming

  7. Happy to see you post videos again! I always get good ideas and love beekeeping! Thank you.

  8. As ever, great stuff. What will you do with the propolis?

  9. Glad to see new video's from you! Thanks!!

  10. That comb being thrown away works excellent in swarm traps. With comb like that you don't even need swarm lure.

  11. Watching this now I know why you Americans/Canadians have problems with CCD. Have you ever heard about DMPF, DMF, synergistic effect of pesticides? 10 years black frames are good? Antibiotics? Moisture in the hive? Keeping that propolis? My god what r u doing? Sir, only 10 spores of AFB is enough to infect a larvae. Here where I live, you can get a jail time for what you just did 😀 I know that you have different laws and norms, but still … wow. This is not smart in a long term … Anyways greetings from central Europe where I have 100% survive rate of all my hives in all yards. I can accept 95%, less than that is a huge mistake.

  12. Contant to see you again with new video
    I hope you have something new in mind because you have a lot to bring even if in France we work a little differently

  13. Hi I am so very glad u are back I have missed u

  14. Do you re-use plastic foundation frames that have been ravaged by wax moths?

  15. Using antibiotics, not cool.

  16. Hello again from England, another great little video,👍, keep them coming, I'll catch up with you on the next one 👍

  17. All those old combs black may contain accumulated years of toxins found in the bees foraging activities…… Which can contribute to difficulty of bees surviving in such a residence.

  18. How do you handle frames that show AFB scale? Throw out that individual frame or all ten from that box? Scorch the box, lids etc?
    Also – are you concerned about spore transfer from handling that frame?

    Thanks!

  19. Love your videos. Keep up the good work.

  20. Hi you say you are still using antbotices , just woundering how you can justfy this does it not get in your honey crop?

  21. I really enjoy your videos

  22. Hi, can you reuse old frame with capped dead brood? Giving it to another colony later. Or what to do with it. Thank you.

  23. very practical video. thanks.

  24. My mellifera colonies are being robbed heavily by feral A. cerana foragers. What to do apart from restricting the entrance?

  25. my hive didn't make it through the winter its full of honey .  To much moisture I should I clean it out anything special I should do ?

  26. Great video. So important to inspect your comb on a regular basis! AFB is brutal. Just like everyone else varroa is also a huge issue. My colonies have crashed two years in a row with no survivors in spring. Frustrating to say the least. I spoke with a friend who has great knowledge in bee diseases in comb. If people are having the same issue I am they may have a build up of varroa viruses in the comb. They can have low mite counts, but over time the virus load grows. It's been found (according to my beekeeping friend) that viruses related to varroa can survive in comb up to fifteen years. So, if you use virus infected comb and keep the mites under control you can still have hives crash in the fall anyway. The ways to treat for this issue is to burn or throw out the comb and frames, or irradiate the comb. That's it. Since my comb was getting old anyway I chose to throw it out. I'm starting fresh with all new frames that I had in stock and new foundation. I'm using wax this year instead of the plastic. I want to burn the stuff when it gets old and not throw it in a dump somewhere. Take a look at your dead outs. You may see a lot of comb with dead bees and holes in the top. But if you open the cell the entire bee is inside. This is likely Parasitic Mite Syndrome and not AFB. AFB will be gooey and stringy inside.
    Hope this helps someone out there with the issue I've been dealing with for two years now.

  27. I am from Punjab in India. I want to come to Canada You help me at the honey work. Please help me.i am intrest bee keeping work

  28. What do you do with the bees that had burrowed into the cells and died? Can't brush those off. Are frames like those discarded as well?

  29. Hi. What do you do with the combs that contain dead bees and has blue mold.. thank you. Jerry Milwaukee WI. USA

  30. Thank you to everyone for watching and supporting our videos! If you have any questions about our videos, please check out our list of FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS on our website, which can be found at http://www.uoguelph.ca/honeybee/videos-FAQs.shtml .

  31. Hi Paul, at 3:02 you show a drone comb that is partially drawn. When you put that back in the hive, will the bees draw out the entire frame? Also that one looks like it was scraped and reinserted…will they build comb over those scraped surfaces, which are rough with old pupal casings? Many thanks!

  32. I’m impressed with your degree of acceptance on the frames.

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